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Awesome. Exciting, Gillian. Yeah. Great. Nerve-wracking, but exciting. Yeah. Nerve-xiting. Yes. Oh, like I sent one yesterday and I was just like, "Oh, maybe I should reduce it by two grand so I win the business," 'cause I'm still growing. It's that battle of charging your worth versus, "Oh, I'm just happy to get a job," and devaluing yourself. Yeah. I think you've just taken us all on a journey that we've all been on before.
Money Secrets Intro
Are you a small business owner who'd love to be making more money while making positive change in the world? You're in the right place, friend. Hi, I'm Fi Johnston, a chartered accountant and money coach obsessed with small business. In The Money Secrets podcast, I share strategies that you can use to make more money without working harder. You'll hear successful small business owners share what they've learned about money and business, and I'll help you to think differently [00:01:00] and shift your perspectives about money so you can grow your business and your impact. My mission is to get more money into the hands of good business owners, like you.
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Fi
Auntie Fi's Advice Line. Hello, caller. This episode is part of a masterclass that I ran called Make More Money Without Working Harder, and what I love about doing masterclasses is that I always leave [00:02:00] time at the end for Q&A, because small business owners have questions, and they want answers. And I love being able to give advice and coach small businesses through these questions like, how do I prove my worth as a business owner? How do I get people to pay the prices that I wanna charge? How do I move from doing things one way to doing things another way? And so you are going to hear from some real-life small business owners about the kinda questions that they have, and you know what? I reckon that you have similar questions. So I hope you really enjoy this podcast episode, which is Auntie Fi's Advice Line All right, so we've got 20 minutes together. This is your opportunity to ask me any question at all about what we just talked about, money, or your business in general. Who wants to kick off the first question? I'm sure you have them.
Guest
[00:03:00] Go, Pamela Oh, hi. Hi. Thanks so much. Yeah, this has been so helpful. So- My pleasure ... you know, juicy. So I have been in business for a very long time.
I was a studio music teacher after being- Mm-hmm ... a classroom teacher. And then after a long time, I realized I'm actually the one providing for the business. It's not paying me. I never ran at a profit, and- Mm ... so I took courage to stop it, and I've been, um, then COVID happened and, and everything. Been caring for my elderly mother, power of attorney stuff.
So what I've been doing is I've got training in, um, life coaching. Mm-hmm. I've identified a niche. I'm also an astrologer, and so I'm bun- putting that together, and I'm composing, which I adore, and I've got a way to make money [00:04:00] from that. So essentially, on this other thing of e-commerce, using my musical knowledge and bundling that up to sell it in various ways, including done-with-you courses and stuff. So it's what I'm looking at doing, right? My question is, am I a good fit for doing your Good Money Club? Because I've got a lot of experience in business. I just haven't- Yeah ... launched these things.
Fi
Yes. If you would like to make more money and you are a woman, then yes, you are a good candidate for Good Money Club. But to-
Pamela
Thank you, my dear.
Fi
But to give more context- Yeah ... yes, we have some members who've been in business for 20 years, and some who've been in business for two years. We have freelancers, we have people with team members, we have people making 100 grand and people making two million a year. So it's a, it's a wide range. The thing that unites us all is that we are all women who are wanting to do more than just make money from our business. [00:05:00] Everybody who's in there- Yeah ... is kind, conscientious, talented, and really generous. So I think- Yeah ... all of the things that you're trying to do will be very valuable to the world. It'll just be a matter of how do you package it, and how do you market yourself strongly enough to get people to invest in what you've got to offer. Thank you. Absolutely. Yeah. And I saw a fantastic movie recently that I haven't heard talked about much called Tuner, T-U-N-E-R. Mm. And it's about a piano tuner, and the music composition in the movie is just bloody amazing. Okay. Dustin Hoffman is in it. Just go and see it. You'll love it. So Tuner, as in piano tuner. T-U-N-E-R. Okay. Yeah. I think it's even on Netflix now, but I saw it at the movies. Oh, okay. Yeah. Highly recommend.
Guest
That's brilliant. So can I be one of the four? Love, love to. Yep. Okay. There's only three available now.
Fi
Fantastic. Okay, great. Yeah, we'd love to have you, Pamela. [00:06:00] I'm in. Awesome. Thanks for your question.
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Question by guest
How do you effectively demonstrate your value to customers when competitors undercut your pricing even though the service quality and overall value they provide isn't comparable? How do you shift the conversation away from price and help customers understand the real difference?
Fi
Great question. So particularly in the events space, there are a lot of kind of side hustle people who've come into the market over the last five years. It's just their side project, so they don't actually price themselves for profit, and therefore you're competing against people who aren't even trying to make a profit So the way to differentiate yourself is through your marketing. So what you need to demonstrate is why somebody would get more value from what you do than others. And it's not about you being better than the others, it's about you being different from the competitors that you're working with. [00:08:00] Is it about how many connections you have? Is it about how high quality your event designs are?
I'm not exactly sure what you do, but, you know, is it about the level of detail that you go to? Is it about the customer service that you provide during that experience? How can you identify the things that your clients say you do really well, and start to communicate that in your marketing? And sometimes what we need to do is actually show people how the sausage is made.
So for example, we have an amazing florist in Good Money Club, and she's not your average florist. And so what we're trying to do with her is to show, like, this is what's involved in putting the flowers together for a big event. You don't just rock up to a shop, grab the flowers, and then come to the wedding.
So what can you do to show the process that you go through to get from client booking through to delivery? [00:09:00] And see how you can make that feel really interesting in your marketing I, I'm keen- Great ... to ask a question, if that's okay. Great.
Guest
Sorry, I was- Yes, please ... gonna type it. Um, um, so I have had my business for 10 years. I'm a hairdresser, and- Can tell by the do. Um, and I like to service... Like, it's kind of a gender inclusive. Mm-hmm. Everyone gets charged the same price. Um, I'm moving to a bigger premises soon, so from- Mm ... the place I've been for 10 years into a bigger shop. Um, and I'm known for being really good with kids' haircuts, but I'm- Mm-hmm they're, like, my least profitable. Yeah. Um, so I do book out kind of with a lot of kids' haircuts. So I'm thinking of phasing kids' haircuts out, if I can- Mm ... and starting to do color again. I'm battling with if that's the right decision to make.
Fi
Yes. You [00:10:00] already know that it is, because- Yeah ... you've brought it here today.
Yeah. So what I would say is that if you're wanting to change the services that you're offering, or you're wanting to change your pricing, this is gonna be relevant to everyone. There's a couple of ways of doing it, and what I would recommend is that you do it a little bit slowly. So we don't wanna just cut off that revenue stream and then have nothing to replace it.
So what you wanna do is you wanna start thinking about, "What are the premium services that I wanna start offering in my new salon?" Is it vivids? 'Cause that's a highly- Yeah ... high price tag. You know, is it vivids? Is it bigger style cuts? Is it whatever? You know, what, what are the things that I wanna do that are, that are tapping into all of your skills?
Yeah. And then you wanna start to market those services, and as you start filling your books with those kind of clients, you can then slowly put the price of the kids' haircuts up. So you don't need to stop doing the kids' haircuts, you [00:11:00] just need to put the prices up. Yeah. And that's gonna allow the parents who are like, "We don't care how much it costs, we need Gillian to do our kids' hair."
Guest
Yeah. One thing I have done recently is I've turned off, like, online booking for kids cuts, so only- Mm ... clients that are our existing clients can rebook. Yeah. Because otherwise I was just booking up with kids' haircuts, and I can't even get my regulars in. Yeah. So yeah, I think hopefully that will be an effective way to kind of just keep my regulars, but not keep building new clients that are sort of- Yeah
Fi
yeah. I love that strategy. Yeah. So get the clients that are already there to continue booking. Yeah. But the new clients that you're wanting to bring in for your new salon are looking for premium services from a premium salon, a premium experience, et cetera. Okay, great. Yeah. Thank you. Awesome. Exciting, Gillian.
Guest
Yeah. Great. Nerve-wracking but exciting.
Fi
Yeah. Nerve-citing. Yes. [00:12:00] All right, who's next with a question? Chrissy, come on in.
Guest
Hello, everybody. First time caller and listener. And thank you so much for your time today. I've so appreciated, um- My pleasure ... your knowledge and your wisdom, and there's a lot that's, uh, really resonating with me about my relationship with money and- Mm
um, my connection to it, and worthiness has always been a thing for me by way of even when I was in my corporate career Not being able to ask for what I was genuinely worth when I knew that I ... And I wa- my value is great, but what ultimately happens is I generally do much more and I get paid much less. Mm. So I know that's my cycle that I have to break. And I guess it's that point now where the, the business that I've just started in the last couple of months is very much about supporting people that don't have enough time in their day, and it's called The Sidekick Effect. I'm down in Melbourne, and it's about being that missing middle for people who have pinch times where they just need additional help, whether it be a, a house [00:13:00] relocation or help with family or decluttering, and a whole lot of areas to make life easier for those that actually really need that help. And, um- Mm ... I know the market I'm targeting is potentially going to be those people working full time, um, and have two kids, or those with aging parents who need some additional life admin support with their aging parents. So I know the impact that I wanna be making. I guess, for me, a lot of my leads are coming from Airtasking at the moment. They're actually setting the price point, and I'm coming in and building my connections and the value that I can bring to the customer in that space and getting the referrals a little bit through that way. But for me, I'm unclear about what is an appropriate price point to even ask for, knowing what I know, what my, I believe my value is, but starting to be new in the business and wanting to build those relationships.
Yeah. So is it a strategy of lowering my price to begin with and gradually lifting it as my [00:14:00] portfolio gets bigger and my reputation is better, or is it a situation of setting that price point higher now, and maybe, uh, somebody said before that accessibility might be missed? And I was really keen for everyone's insight on this.
Fi
Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Christy. So- That was a lot, sorry. Okay. It's okay. It's all good. So a few things. So Airtasker is probably never gonna send you high-quality leads. Mm. However, it's getting you leads, and what the most useful thing of new clients when you've just started is testimonials. Mm. Right? Yeah. So what we wanna think about is if you're going to be working for people at a lower price than you will be in the future, the most valuable thing that you can get from them is testimonials and experience. However, I think, yes, you do wanna start charging a more appropriate price as soon as possible. Mm. And the way to do that is with your own marketing. Mm. And that might be terrifying. And trust me, it was terrifying for me when I started [00:15:00] marketing myself, like vomit-inducing The videos I made when I first started making videos were so unbelievably boring. I don't know why anyone- ... watched them. But the only way to get good at it is to do it, and do it- Mm ... and do it, and do it. So what you need to do is start thinking about, who is the client that I want to work with? Where are they hanging out? Yeah. And how can I find them? Mm. And how can I explain what I can do for them? Mm. So one of the most valuable things for busy people is time. Mm. So I wouldn't be talking about the fact that you can help somebody at a great price. Yeah. We don't wanna mention price. We don't wanna use the word affordable. We wanna talk about, "I can help you to do blah," whatever it is. Like, what is the outcome of working with you? Mm. You know, come home from work to a clean house. I don't know if it's... I don't think it's- Mm ... cleaning, but it's, like, organizing, and, you know- It's making space for what matters. That's where- Yeah ... I'm... Yeah. Yeah, yeah. There you go. So yeah, what [00:16:00] does matter? I'd be wanting to- Yeah ... know, well, what does matter?
What, what is it that, uh, you're making space for? Who are the clients that would value that the most? Is it- Mm-hmm ... you know, for example, parents of neurodivergent children probably need more support than others. Mm. So is that a niche that you wanna go into? So the only way to get premium prices is with your own marketing.
Mm. It's never gonna come through one of those kind of- Mm ... lead channels. But that's fine- Yeah ... as long as you get lots of testimonials.
Guest
Yes, which I have been, which has been really great. So thank you. That's really... You've set, let me know I'm in the right direction.
Fi
Thank you, Christy. Um, Sarah, did you have something you wanted to ask, or you wanted to know what Christy's business was called?
Guest
I literally wanted to know about the business. I have disabled parents and I'm just... Yeah. So thank you. Sorry. As you were.
Fi
Awesome. Let's get you two connected. Great. Okay. I'm going to look at the chat and see was there anything [00:17:00] else there. I think we've covered that. Uh, Natalie says, "I struggle to spend money on myself and self-improvement. Even though I really wanna take up this amazing offer, my gut reaction is to say, 'That's not for me.' How to overcome this with money psychology?" So what you wanna think about is, like, this sounds really- I don't know if the word's meta, but you wanna think about what you wanna think about. What thought do you want to have?
So the thought you're having might-- right now might be, "This isn't for me. I'm not worth it. I-- That's nev- something that I could never do," or whatever. What you want to think is, "I got this. This is awesome. I can turn this into something amazing. Like, I trust myself to make decisions about my money, and I know that this is something that's good for me."
So sometimes you need to listen to your gut. Sometimes your gut is telling you that this is the right thing to do. [00:18:00] Sometimes your gut is just anxiety. So you can't always listen to your gut, because sometimes it's just telling you that you feel uncertain or anxious or scared. And the annoying thing about our gut instinct, the way that our biology works, is that our brain doesn't-- your brain does not give a shit about you being happy. It just cares about keeping you alive, which is kind of annoying. So your brain's job is to keep you safe, so any time it perceives that something feels unsafe, uncertain, unfamiliar, untested, it will be sending signals to you that says, "No, do not take this step." And so what we need to do is take our thoughts and change them, right? You will be able to change the feelings in your body by changing the thoughts in your mind. I know that sounds completely [00:19:00] ridiculous, but it's totally true, and I don't even mean it in a manipulative way. I just mean, like, how do I want to feel about this particular thing? What sort of thoughts do I want to have?
And then just trying them on like a dress. I hope that was helpful. Um, did anybody else have a qu- a question that they wanted to ask live? Anna Hi, Faith.
Guest
I'm just trying to figure out, like, should I have some... I'm like web developer and, um, digital online presence for tradies. Like, have packages on your website so that they can kind of see price points, or do you kind of wait till you have a discovery call and where you can sell your, your value and be like, "Well, this is what I do."
And then you figure out what they want, and then go away, spend time and effort on creating that custom proposal and hits in, and then be like, uh... Like, I sent one yesterday, and I was just like, "Oh, maybe I should [00:20:00] reduce it by two grand so I win the business," 'cause I'm still growing. But then I was just like, then I'm working for, like, $50 an hour, and it's that battle of charging your worth versus, oh, I'm just happy to get a job, and devaluing yourself.
Fi
Yeah. I think you've just taken us all on a journey that we've all been on before. Mm-hmm. So, and I know the Good Money Club members in the room are like, they know exactly what I'm going to say. So, okay. So you can not have prices on your website, and you can do bespoke quoting, but you're making everything hard for yourself.
So what I would recommend instead is to think about, "Who is the client that I wanna work with, and what is the service that I wanna deliver for them?" Mm. Is it a five-page website with SEO optimized word, whatever they're called. My brain's gone. Um, [00:21:00] you know, an email contact form and blah, blah, blah. Like, is that the thing that your ideal client is looking for?
And then come up with a price to deliver that. Okay? Ideally, you will have three price points. Mm-hmm. Um, I won't go into everything right at this moment, but there is actually a four, four-episode podcast, um, little miniseries on my podcast about this exact thing. So essentially, if we can have our prices on our website, we make it easier for people to know if they're in the right place. It might mean that you get less discovery calls, but they're better discovery calls. Mm-hmm. And if you already have productized your services into three options, somebody can decide so much faster whether they would like to go ahead with option one, two, or three So prices on website. I'm a massive fan.
Guest
Mm-hmm. Cool, thanks. Yeah.
Fi
Thank you for the question, Anna. Um, okay, any [00:22:00] more questions? Um- Sarah.
Guest
Yeah, I was... So I make hot sauces. Um, I sell them at farmers' markets. Hot sauces and quick meals. Mm-hmm. And I really struggle 'cause I'm a micro business. I still cook from home. Mm-hmm. But I'm competing against people who get factories to batch cook for them, and then they'll sell them at farmers' markets. My pricing is a bit more than theirs, and I feel like it should be a lot more, but there's only so much you can charge for hot sauce. Mm-hmm. So I'm struggling a bit in that regard.
Fi
I reckon you can sell whatever the fuck you want for hot sauce. Like, it's just all about your brand, your positioning, explaining what makes your hot sauce better than somebody else's hot sauce.
Why should they buy yours? What is the story that sits behind your hot sauce? People connect to stories, and people, they don't really connect to the product i- itself. You know, yes, as Megan says, like, make it a real point that it's handmade, it's made at home. It's not mass-produced in a factory. [00:23:00] Like, people would pay more for that, and people will also pay more just for the fact that you're a small business. So I think you've got lots of different points of difference. Perhaps you just need to think about how you're communicating them. And is your packaging telling somebody that this is a premium, homemade, delicious product? Not as much as it should be. Yeah. So y- you know- Yeah ... getting new packaging can be expensive, but- Yeah
um, you know, you can just start with how you're telling stories at those markets and thinking about, like, what words resonate with people, and how can I start using those through my marketing. Awesome. Thank you very much. My pleasure. Today's been great, by the way. Thank you. Great. Thank you, Sarah. Okay, well I better not keep you too long.
I think I've answered all the questions in the chat, um, unless Kira's gonna tell me that I missed something. Um, oh, yep, thank you for the [00:24:00] question, Ebony. Uh, we have a lot of neurodivergent people in Good Money Club, and I work with a lot of neurodivergent people generally. And yes, um, we have some people who choose to keep their camera off all the time except for when they're doing their one-on-one sessions with me.
Uh, we have people that, you know, move, doodle, whatever it is that they need to do while they're learning from me. The sessions are similar to this. It's just that you'll know everybody in the room. So yeah, it's a very safe space and, um, yes, very neurodivergent friendly. Uh, my neurodivergent clients often tell me that I am neuro affirming.
I think that's just sort of something I do naturally. Um, awesome. Well, thank you all for being here. Please, um, go and check out all of the different ways to work with me because if you thought this was good, uh, Good Money Club is like this on speed. My podcast is a great place to start if you're not ready to work with me [00:25:00] just yet.
Thank you all for being here. The slide deck and the video will be in your inbox today and, uh, yeah, really look forward to connecting with you more at a future time. Thanks all.
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